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April 30, 2000
Visual Hallucinations
<CareOP> Hi!
<CareOP> I went to the wrong room!
<Guest1> Hi everybody-Guest1 here
<CareOP> Hi Guest1!
<Guest1> Everybody makes mistakes :)
<Guest1> Hi
<CareOP> I am having one of those "seizure" feelings tonight - scary!
<Guest1> Oh boy, that is scary. What are the feelings?
<CareOP> Guest1 do you have any strange seizure like feelings?
<CareOP> well very apprenhensive
<CareOP> then difficulty swallowing
<Guest1> Difficulty swallowing?
<SpringOP> hi Guest1! I was putting in my eye drops, nearlly forgot them
<CareOP> I almost feel like I will have a seizure!
<SpringOP> hey care!
<CareOP> I am afraid!
<CareOP> eeks!
<Guest1> Hey, Hang in there!
<CareOP> feel bad tonight
<CareOP> :o]
<Guest1> Sometimes excitement can do that
<SpringOP> we will hold you hand, care
<CareOP> I will I feel so scared and alone tonight
<Guest1> We
<CareOP> :o]
<Guest1> We're here.
<CareOP> thanks- you will make me cry!
<CareOP> I wish you really could!
<Guest1> Oh now, I didn't think I looked that bad!
<SpringOP> ok, put your head between you legs, breath slow....and then come up for air!
<CareOP> :o]
<CareOP> I got up and walked and breathed deeply
<Guest1> :) me too
<Guest1> Does the computer bother you?
<CareOP> I really am afraid I will have a genuine seizure!
<CareOP> no all these feeling happen late afternoon or nightime
<Guest1> You might try darkening your screen so its not so bright
<SpringOP> when is your doc visit? it is in May, right?
<SpringOP> that is a good point, sometimes bright light in the eyes can cause things
<CareOP> you think that might help
<SpringOP> maybe the refresh rate of your screen is affecting you
<Guest1> Yes, It bothers me that way
<CareOP> I wish they had done another MRI
<CareOP> It began before I was on the computer
<Guest1> My kids think I'm a hermit with the lights low most of the time
<CareOP> hurt your eyes Guest1?
<Guest1> do you have auras?
<CareOP> yes
<Guest1> What are they like?
<SpringOP> maybe you just need dark mysterious sunglasses, Guest1
<CareOP> My neuro said they are "partial seizures"
<CareOP> auditory hallucinations
<Guest1> Yes, some people do better with sunglasses
<SpringOP> yes, please describe the auras. I am sure they are not like my migraine auras
<CareOP> olefactory hallucinations
<Guest1> auditory - like what?
<CareOP> and the wierd sensation that begins in the chest and goes upward
<Guest1> Olefactory hallucinations - I get those
<CareOP> somethmes bright flashes of light
<Guest1> Yes, bright flashes - I have those too
<CareOP> hearing voices growling dogs eeks! music
<CareOP> when do yours happen Guest1?
<Guest1> Mostly when I
<SpringOP> I have had some bright flashes but theygo away as quickly as they come, are yours like that?
<Guest1> (stuttered) Mostly when I am tired or have been under florescents (work) a long time
<CareOP> the one I had the other night was very bright and heard voices!
<Guest1> Mine seem to be pretty steady sometimes, but I can distract myself from them
<CareOP> I am glad I'm not nuts - my neuro said they were partial seizures and Neurontin will help
<SpringOP> sounds like it can confuse you with reality at tomes?
<CareOP> yep
<Guest1> What do you smell ?
<SpringOP> how do you distract yourself, Guest1?
<CareOP> but you realize that it is not real\burning rubber
<CareOP> I try to think of something else
<Guest1> I keep thinking is smell urine or amonia
<Guest1> dont laugh too hard.
<CareOP> at night when I begin to fall asleep that is when most of them occur
<CareOP> ha!
<Guest1> Yes, that's when I notice things more too - at night. sure sign I should have gone to bed earlier
<CareOP> I did smell chocolate chip cookies baking the other night - went upstairs - no cookies! :o[
<Guest1> LOL cookies!! That 's nice!!
<CareOP> when do u go to the neuro Guest1?
<CareOP> Hi Guest2!
<SpringOP> that sure is a nice dream, cookies!
<Guest2> Hello
<Guest1> Went Thursday.
<CareOP> sure was!
<CareOP> what did he say?
<Guest1> She was very nice, supportive.
<CareOP> good! any help for the neuropathy Guest1?
<SpringOP> do you see mostly the neuro or a rheumy?
<Guest1> Not yet. More tests. EEK
<SpringOP> yikes, what kind of tests now?
<CareOP> what did she order Guest1?
<Guest2> Is this a limited channel? Not sure what Dutch MS is... unless it is a person with MS from the Netherlands. I do understand Sjögren's.
<Guest1> Scheduled for another MRI, EMG.
<SpringOP> This is for Dutch MSers as you describe, on WEd and Thurs, but tonight, we are all yours!
<SpringOP> Sjogren's Caht
<Guest2> Oh
<Guest2> ok
<CareOP> when do u have the Guest1?
<Guest1> Join us
<Guest2> ok
<Guest2> Bu I do not have Sjögren's
<CareOP> Do you have Sjogren's Guest2?
<Guest2> MS
<SpringOP> but it matters not, the topic, you can chat about anything that concerns you Guest2
<Guest2> ok
<CareOP> U R welcome to stay Guest2!
<CareOP> I am a possible MS too!
<Guest1> Lots of people with MS also have Sjogrens symptoms
<CareOP> we are talking about MRI and seizure disorders right now
<SpringOP> there is an MS Chat in 45 minutes in #MSWorld room
<CareOP> thats right Guest1!
<Guest2> I see
<SpringOP> but you can stay here if you like
<CareOP> Guest1 when are your tests?
<Guest1> I have the EMG next week and an EGD also.
<CareOP> EGD - what is that?
<Guest1> Ive been having trouble swallowing
<CareOP> me too Guest1!
<Guest2> I have a problem swallowing dry foods at times too.
<CareOP> Guest1 have you had a brain MRI before?
<CareOP> me too Guest2
<Guest1> Yes, last year due to the auras and some visual limits that werent good
<CareOP> gee Guest1 you have them too - the auras?
<CareOP> Guest1 what are your auras like?
<Guest1> zig-zaggy lines of bright white like lightening stricks
<CareOP> really? wow
<CareOP> I had something like that once - 2 days ago with a voice
<Guest1> Boy, I didn't know that about the color. Maybe that is what was bothering you Care
<CareOP> Guest1 your sounds like migraine auras?
<Guest1> Yes, without the migraine
<CareOP> Maybe the lights in the basement are flouresent - is that bad?
<Guest1> Never had a serious headache
<Guest2> You heard a voice in addition to a visual disturbance???
<CareOP> my son had that once Guest1 - the xig zags - lost sight for about a half hour
<CareOP> yep
<Guest2> Umm.. is this new?
<CareOP> scary - MS people can have that too
<CareOP> yes it is
<Guest2> If it was me, I'd call my neuro right away.
<Guest1> Yes, its no wonder were with the MS line
<CareOP> at least I know that I am not crazy - my neuro assured me of that! lil
<Guest1> Good for the neuro-
<CareOP> my neuro knows
<Guest2> Good
<SpringOP> Guest1, my Dad gets the aura and no migraine now, he outgrew the pain part. I can hardly wait till I outgrow my migraines
<CareOP> :o]
<CareOP> I don't know what I would do without him!
<Guest2> Never heard of auditory "hallucinations" associated with MS
<Guest1> Hes a good support
<Guest1> I have heard of olfactory hallucinations tho
<Guest2> But it can be be a serious symptom of something else. What did the voice say to you?
<CareOP> these "seizures" can happen when lesions are in the frontal or temporal cortex
<Guest2> Just curious?
<SpringOP> good question, what did it say?
<CareOP> no didn't understand what was said - occured raopidly when I was falling asleep
<CareOP> ha!
<CareOP> don't know!
<Guest2> Just as you were faling asleep?
<CareOP> yes
<Guest2> Then how do you know it wasn't a dream?
<Guest1> You know Ive experienced some real tremors at times, sort of worried me
<CareOP> it can be the first sign of epilepsy
<CareOP> like what Guest1?
<SpringOP> I "jerk" when I am falling to sleep. I doubt that has anything to do with seizures.
<CareOP> me too Spring
<Guest1> Its probably good that we have neuro's on board
<Guest2> Leg jerks/kicks?
<SpringOP> no doubt
<CareOP> yes
<CareOP> right Guest1
<Guest1> Lots of people experience leg jerks
<SpringOP> leg, arms, sometimes it is a whole bady jerk. lol
<Guest2> I get those from time to time too.
<CareOP> sometimes my arms also
<Guest2> Just my legs
<Guest1> I just went for a few minutes to my butterfly garden- could hardly walk
<CareOP> why Guest1?
<Guest1> Sometimes the legs just dont want to work
<SpringOP> <---has a butterfly garden too!
<Guest1> Wonderful
<Guest3> Ifinally got it right
<CareOP> like Balance Guest1?
<CareOP> yay Guest3!
<Guest1> Yes, off balance. Stairs can be frightful
<SpringOP> Welcome to Sjogren's Chat, Guest3
<CareOP> have to watch your feet and hold on Guest1!
<Guest2> Spring, what do you use to chat?
<Guest3> Hello everyone
<SpringOP> so, does everyone in here have fatigue trouble?
<Guest1> Yes, thats the idea -
<SpringOP> mIRC usually
<Guest2> Thanks
<CareOP> yes mam!
<Guest1> Big Time fatique
<Guest3> yes
<SpringOP> what do you all do for it?
<CareOP> body feels like it is encased in cement!
<Guest2> But is that mIRC now? I am getting no response from any of my CTCP queries to your client.
<CareOP> rest is the only thing that helps
<SpringOP> kind of like being drugged, CareOP?
<CareOP> yes
<Guest1> The strange thin g is that even with the "cement" syndrome, it can be hard to sleep
<SpringOP> yes it is Guest2. I am using mIRC
<Guest3> lots of rest
<CareOP> that's the way I feel tonight
<CareOP> yes Guest1 I understnad - thake anything to help sleep?
<Guest1> I find myself just "vegin out" to rest a lot
<Guest2> I take Dexedrine Spansules for my fatigue. I want to try Provigil, but my neuro is concerned that my insurance won't cover it due to the cost.
<CareOP> I rest in front of the computer and sit on a heating pad to help the pain
<SpringOP> that is wha tI do a lot, veg out! Zone out, whatever you want to call it
<CareOP> I hear Provigil is good
<Guest2> Dex is the only reason I have been able to keep a job.
<SpringOP> do those work for you Guest2?
<Guest1> Sometimes just a warm shower helps, other times I can take Dex
<CareOP> what is Dex?
<Guest2> Spansules are time-released. Gradual increase and decrease.
<Guest2> Dexedrine
<Guest1> AFter all the tests are done, I expect that some of my meds will change
<CareOP> a stimulant?
<Guest2> It is an amphetamine.
<CareOP> still have leg pain Guest1?
<Guest2> Usually given for ADHD
<CareOP> yep I take cylert - helps with attention also
<CareOP> yep mine too Guest2
<Guest1> yes, but that has improved with the electric stim -
<CareOP> Guest3 U doing ok tonight?
<SpringOP> my son took ritalin for his ADD when he was young. anyone ever try that for fatigue?
<CareOP> you using trns Guest1?
<CareOP> Spring Cylert is similiar to Ritalin
<SpringOP> right now I just take naps or work through the fatigue.
<Guest1> Yes, I inherited one from my deceased mother-in=law bless her
<CareOP> good!
<SpringOP> I know but it is chemically different anwyay, that is why I asked
<Guest2> My neuro does not like to use Cylert anymore due to concerns about hepatic impairment. I also take Avonex which can also cause hepatic impairment.
<CareOP> I still have one - maybe I'll charge it up!
<CareOP> Guest2 I even asked about the Liver problem
<SpringOP> yes, I have heard that Cylert is not good and my neuro would not put me on it after another doc suggested it
<Guest1> I just use it now when the ache seems to be on the rise
<CareOP> I had drug induced hepatitis
<CareOP> due to Tegretol they are keeping me on cylert
<Guest1> Oh boy, thats not good CareOP
<CareOP> sure wasn't!
<Guest1> You were taking Tegretool for ?
<Guest2> You had hepatitis and are on Cylert? How often do you get your blood work done?
<SpringOP> do you take Cylert did you say Care? even though you had the liver problem?
<CareOP> says study did not apply - much highher dose in children cause the problem
<CareOP> yep
<Guest1> Do they watch the labs
<Guest2> I see
<CareOP> my PCP does Guest1
<Guest1> Thats good.
<Guest1> It seems that we can get on a bunch of stuff and it adds up
<CareOP> yep sure does - cost does too!
<Guest1> Ouch!
<SpringOP> yes, and I worry aabout that, taking too many things, you just cannot sort it out what is affecting what other things
<Guest2> LOL... I/we know waaaaay too much about medicine for people who don't work in medicine.
<Guest2> People with MS I mean
<CareOP> my neuro is going to help me try to get Neurontin at a reduced cost - 210 a month for it
<CareOP> me too Guest2! lol!
<Guest1> Double ouch! I had no clue it was like that
<CareOP> me too Spring
<CareOP> yep
<CareOP> no Rx coverage eeks!
<Guest1> We better make sure we contact our congressmen about the medical coverage for chronic illnesses
<Guest2> Gotta be a medical expert to care for yourself in this day of HMOs and managed-care.
<CareOP> so all the other neuros say no cylert - strange...
<Guest1> Dont even mention those! I deal with them daily!
<CareOP> yes sir Guest2! U got it right!
<CareOP> yep Guest1 - a pain in the butt! :o]
<Guest1> Sometimes I get accused of being one of them- That hurts
<CareOP> Guest2 - you have any pain?
<Guest2> I'm voting Democrat in any future election until something is done about the for-profit medical establishment. Republicans have let me down too many times.
<CareOP> gee Guest1 sorry!
<CareOP> something needs to be done Guest2!
<Guest1> Thats okay - I let them know I'm the one with the white hat
<Guest2> I only have occassional pain and I get from spasms and a few dysathesias
<CareOP> :o[ good girl Guest1!
<Guest1> Guest2-where the pain?
<CareOP> that's good Guest2 - no chronic pain! :o]
<Guest2> Haha
<Guest2> Yeah
<Guest2> It's a "mild case"... kinda like a mild case of epilepsy though. Mild or not, it sucks.
<CareOP> I feel "huggy" tonight! lol
<CareOP> eeks don't say that word epilepsy!!!! ha!
<Guest1> Is everyone feeling better?
<CareOP> yes thanks Guest1, Spring and Guest2!
<Guest1> Great?
<SpringOP> <--still having awful dry eye troubles. other than that, I feel goood!
<CareOP> not great! ha!
<Guest1> Opps - finger slipped
<Guest2> I have gotten a stabbing pain in my right foot and. of course, I get the usual neck and back muscle spasms which hurt after a while too.
<SpringOP> how about you Guest1?
<Guest2> And spams in my calves.
<CareOP> mine were dry today too teared up and burned - just one eye
<Guest1> Yes, thanks all -
<SpringOP> <---mild MS too. thank goodness. and it is not misbehaving at this time
<CareOP> like fibromyalgia Guest2?
<Guest2> But actually, I am very relieved to be awake and about this evening. Very different from last night. Tis good.
<SpringOP> glad to hear it Guest2
<Guest1> My spases are small ones, but nuicenses (sp)
<CareOP> Guest2d U ever have the tight band sensation?
<Guest2> I dunno about the fibromyalgia Care. I haven't really looked into it much lately.
<CareOP> well it just means muscles hurt - if you ask me!
<Guest2> I think I have had the tight band, but not in a while. I have heard that referred to as the "MS Hug" if that is what you mean? Around the chest?
<CareOP> fibromyalgia is a term used frequently
<Guest1> That seems to be a "given" with most of us at one time or other
<CareOP> yep I had it once
<SpringOP> not I
<CareOP> twice in ond day - then never again Guest2
<Guest1> Yes, me too - I thought I was having a heart attack
<CareOP> right Guest1 - me too!
<CareOP> how about U Guest2?
<Guest1> The old BP went WAY up
<SpringOP> I ahve not had a tight hug, but have had sharp pain when I breathe in, it happens in the middle of the night while sound asleep and it wakes me up
<CareOP> really Guest1 - U took the reading?
<CareOP> gee Spring - the sleep thing again!
<Guest2> Stinkin' disease. Mostly I am afraid of losing strength in my legs. Climbing stairs is something I no longer enjoy or feel confident about.
<Guest1> I was at work and it scared them - rushed me to ER
<SpringOP> same here Guest2
<CareOP> do u use a cane Guest2?
<CareOP> gee Guest1 - I was home but wondered about a heart attack but thought - no - just neuropathy
<Guest1> Guest2, I believe we were just mentioning stairclimbing before you came on
<Guest2> No, but sometimes I use a hiking staff when I am going to go for a long walk. It helps and keeps me from feeling like I will fall on my face if I lose my balance or strength.
<CareOP> yep difficult - I lean way forward going up - anyone else do that?
<CareOP> balance problema Guest2?
<Guest1> Yes, Guest2 those walks can seem a little like walking in a tunnel of endless steps
<Guest2> I once lost the ability to stand in an elevator just from the movement of it. It was going down.
<CareOP> yep spunds like balance Guest2
<Guest2> I dropped to the floor and held onto the hand rail.
<CareOP> ever feel vibrations that were not there - and floor moving?
<SpringOP> i feel that in my feet some times
<Guest1> I have neuropathy that makes me think the floor is wavy
<SpringOP> kaboom eh Guest2
<CareOP> like floor vibrating?
<CareOP> yep Guest1!
<SpringOP> one time I even thought it was an earthquake! lol
<CareOP> ha!
<Guest2> Never happened again, but occassionally I skid up agains a wall when I walking. Hard to tell if it's MS or one of the many (too many) medications I am on.
<CareOP> it does feel like that
<CareOP> yep Guest2 - me too
<Guest2> correction : against a wall when I'm walking.
<CareOP> what all do u talke Guest2?
<Guest1> Really - sorry I just tried the sound thing
<SpringOP> ah, that is so true Guest2 I move about and then suddenly lean into something, and I wonder and stop to think if I had any med that day, or what I might have eaten, or if I was in a hurry or just not paying attention. hard to decide at times. I know what you mean
<CareOP> that's ok Guest1 we love you anyway! lol!
<SpringOP> lol, I had my sound off, forgot!
<CareOP> gee spring sounds like my feelings too!
<Guest1> Yes, I feel like I am drunk at times - Darn no drink
<CareOP> yep!
<CareOP> and I can't drink! darn - miss as osccasional glass of wine
<Guest2> I dunno... meds: Lessee... Avonex, Dexedrine, Wellbutrin, Levsin, Baclofen, Androderm, Urocit-K, Uromag... and few others I think.
<SpringOP> just do not turn suddenly! especially around the stairs,. I find I grip the rail now, really make sure I have hold of it, in case my legs or balance gives out.
<CareOP> weel an impressive list Guest2!!!
<Guest1> Yes, it feels just like the legs will quit at any time
<SpringOP> Baclofen made me way sleepy Guest2
<CareOP> yep spring sounds familiar
<CareOP> I hated baclofen
<Guest2> I grip any bannister or rail I can find when on stairs.
<CareOP> couldn't even walk
<SpringOP> made me walk without stiffness, but too sleepy
<Guest1> Then again - sometimes walking can be not bad -
<Guest2> Baclofen made me sleepy at first, but I adjusted
<SpringOP> too high dose, billie
<CareOP> nope low dose just couldn't take it - was really sick at the time
<SpringOP> oh I c
<Guest2> They do have this new baclofen pump
<CareOP> that was in 1994 - worst year
<SpringOP> yes, that is a great thing for some folks
<CareOP> yep heard the pump is good
<Guest2> It uses a lot less baclofen because the medicine is delivered directly into your spinal fluid.
<CareOP> Guest1 - u like your new neuro? like close to her office?
<SpringOP> all I take now is my estrogen and Salagen tablets. I feel pretty good. Just rest when I need it, and go out and do fun things, and exercise 2 times in formal class
<Guest1> Now I feel better, one thing I havent tried yet
<CareOP> ha Guest1!
<Guest2> I think I will have to wait until I retire to rest when I need to.
<Guest1> Yes, the neuro is good - I think. Time will tell after all the testing is done
<CareOP> what all do u do in excerse class?
<Guest2> And that will take another 10-20 years of work (I hope).
<CareOP> right Guest1
<SpringOP> my husband retired early. and I only work my own home business. and it is really small, just enough to keep health insurance
<CareOP> U still working Guest2?
<Guest1> Your working Guest2?
<Guest2> Yes
<CareOP> what U do?
<CareOP> gee Guest1 are brains match tonight!
<Guest1> LOL
<Guest2> Still able to work 40 hours a week... well, with 8 weeks of sick and annual leave each year.
<CareOP> :o]
<CareOP> wow that better than I could do!
<Guest2> I am a counselor. But due to MS, I mostly work in prevention now.
<Guest1> I cant wait to retire - Only hope I make it without going on Disability first
<CareOP> counsel where?
<CareOP> hope so Guest1 - how soon to retire?
<Guest2> Had times when I could not keep my eyes open. Not good when you are working with a client. They think you are bored with them.
<Guest1> 4 years!!!!!!
<CareOP> wow!
<SpringOP> roflol at Guest2, borig his clients
<CareOP> you are a terrific person Guest2! Keep trying!
<Guest2> 4 years is good,
<SpringOP> that will go fast, 4 years, I should think
<Guest2> SO now I work with contractors for our agency and try to help them.
<CareOP> 4 years can fly Guest1 - just like you! lol
<Guest1> Yes, 4 years - theres a light at the end of the tunnel
<Guest1> Flapp flapp flapp
<SpringOP> hehehe
<CareOP> well do u all think this is a good time for sjs talks? not many are coming???
<Guest2> The good news, I can reschedule my appointments when I am not well, and they attribute it to the business.
<CareOP> Great!!!
<Guest1> Its a good wind down time for me, but dont know about others
<SpringOP> that sounds great to be able to do that, nice that they are so accomodating for you
<Guest2> They hafta be.
<CareOP> you work every day Guest1?
<Guest1> What do you think Guest2
<SpringOP> I suppose they do. But some folks do not get it to work that way.
<Guest2> It's a government agency. Governmental employers must make accomodations for disabilities.
<Guest1> Yes, every day - more than 8 hrs many days
<SpringOP> oh! so true
<CareOP> right Guest2!
<CareOP> it is the law
<CareOP> gee Guest1 how do u do it?
<CareOP> I couldn't!
<Guest2> Guest1: what do I think about what?
<Guest1> Well some days its touch and go
<CareOP> bet so!
<Guest1> The time for the chats
<CareOP> about the chat time Guest2
<CareOP> gee Guest1 again! lol
<Guest2> Ohhh... I need to be running along
<Guest1> This is too much Care
<SpringOP> roflol, we are talking about this time for our Sjogren's chat
<CareOP> glad you came Guest2!!!
<Guest2> Soam I
<CareOP> ha!
<Guest2> Nice to see you all again
<Guest2> TTFN!
<Guest1> Great Guest2 - come again
<SpringOP> nice to visit with you Guest2
<SpringOP> :-( I am slow typing tonight
<CareOP> well we three make a terrific group!
<Guest1> Sometimes the thougts come in spurts
<Guest1> Boy - One for the Gipper
<SpringOP> thoughts?
<CareOP> sometimes I cannot remember where the keys are!
<Guest1> LOL
<SpringOP> where's the any key?
<CareOP> I have occasionally forgottwen how to trun off my car! roflol!
<CareOP> on the keyboard - I look to type
<Guest1> Wow - I only forget where I am going
<CareOP> and I reverse letters while typing! ha!
<CareOP> ha!
<SpringOP> I sometime sforget how to turn on the headlights, one night after an MS meeting it took me a full 10 mins to figure it out
<SpringOP> scared me
<CareOP> ha! so it's not just me! thank goodness!!!
<Guest1> Yes, sometimes it takes some hard thinking to keep it goint
<SpringOP> nope not just you
<CareOP> I know Spring - it has scared me also - and no one understands,,,
<Guest1> Ever had to backup and start over?
<CareOP> I can't remember!!!
<SpringOP> don't talk back up with cars to me this week please
<Guest1> What is really bad is when Im talking to my boss and forget what were talking about
<CareOP> I have entered on the exit streets!!!!
<Guest1> Wow - thats a blupper Care
<SpringOP> I am glad I do not have a boss to report to, it would be very hard to appear having any kind of intellegence for any length of time
<Guest1> LOL LOL
<CareOP> yes Guest1 I do understnad -right in the middle of important conversations - blip....
<SpringOP> must be very frustrating for you Guest1
<CareOP> I am afraid I would be fired!
<Guest1> Oh - we need to be forgiving of ourselves, I think
<SpringOP> that is right, I agree Guest1
<Guest1> Not to worry about what the boss thinks - after all its just a job
<SpringOP> the forget part of the forgive and forget is the easy part
<CareOP> my neuro said I could be classified "disabeled" by my neurcognitive tests
<CareOP> I love your attitude Guest1!
<Guest1> I havent had one of those tests yet How long ago?
<CareOP> last year and 2 years before that
<SpringOP> how does that make you feel, Care, that you are sort of "useless" as far as the brain thinking etc?
<Guest1> Thanks - it helps to be able to talk things out
<CareOP> well I can be but at times I feel super intelligent
<CareOP> did test high intelligence - but brain does not work
<Guest1> Do either of you have creative hobbies?
<SpringOP> know what you mean, wish it were constant, used to be intelligent. now sporadically inteligent
<CareOP> yes and spring sure does!!!
<Guest1> I find that sometimes just being able to "do" something puts things in perspective
<CareOP> yes spring...
<SpringOP> I have taken up learning painting watercolors and I love it! how about you?
<CareOP> I have hobbies that I love
<CareOP> mine are crafts and computer stuff
<Guest1> I do a bunch of things =- only sort of good
<CareOP> me too Guest1 - spring is very artistic!!!
<SpringOP> bit I think it is whether you enjoy doing them, Guest1
<CareOP> right
<Guest1> Paint (both oil and watercolor), quilt, garden (when I can)
<CareOP> and I do!
<SpringOP> that is what is important
<CareOP> U paint too Guest1?
<CareOP> wow!
<Guest1> Yes, but havent had much time of late
<SpringOP> I only tired oil once, yikes! how did you learn? classes? lessons?
<CareOP> I love the things I do and my volunteer work too
<Guest1> What do you volunteer?
<CareOP> I volunteer for the National MS Society
<Guest1> Painting since I was a kid - both lessons and self
<CareOP> a support group leader
<CareOP> gee Guest1 - what do you paint?
<Guest1> I volunteer with the gardening
<CareOP> ha!
<SpringOP> how is that Guest1?
<Guest1> Love to do landscapes and some portraits
<CareOP> with the garden society or for yourself???
<SpringOP> brb need to throw another load inthe washer
<CareOP> ok
<Guest1> Both - Im a member and officer of the local garden club and volunteer with a butterfly garden at a large park
<CareOP> Guest1 I sent you an e-mail - I want to know more about you when u have time to tell
<Guest1> Im afraid the gardening days are numbered tho
<CareOP> yes Guest1 - would you believe that I crawl around to garden wear old clothes and crawl! lol!
<Guest1> CareOP and SpringOp - its time to go - the man of the house thinks he needs to eatr
<CareOP> right Guest1 me too!
<CareOP> enjoyed seeing you Guest1!
<Guest1> Yes, I believe the crawling stuff - there are days that thats the best
<Guest1> See you both soon! Hugs
<CareOP> right gotta have the hands in the soil!
<CareOP> night Guest1!
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